Star Wars: The Clone Wars: season 3 discussion

[ADHO15]

I know, but the fact that it said "Oky" instead of "Obi" was hilarious to me.

Oh, wow! I completely missed that!

[Brickdoctor]

Perhaps it was changed since you posted this, but right now it links to the ANH Greedo.

Yeah, there's a debate about that in the SW forum.

If you go to the article on Greedo the Elder, the CW episode is listed under his list of appearances.

But so does Greedo. (the younger one)

However, Greedo's (the younger) article also says he was born in 19 B.B.Y.- or during the events of RotS. Even if the events of the episode took place just before Ep.3, Greedo the Younger would have been a newborn.

I know, but the fact that it said "Oky" instead of "Obi" was hilarious to me.

Do you have a Wookieepedia account?

Because I get "Help me, <insert name here>, you're my only hope!"

[Oky]

However, Greedo's (the younger) article also says he was born in 19 B.B.Y.- or during the events of RotS. Even if the events of the episode took place just before Ep.3, Greedo the Younger would have been a newborn.

Exactly. In the commercial, they make it sound like it's the Greedo (ANH), but I think they just do that to create hype.

Do you have a Wookieepedia account?

Yes. I created the page about the Special Ops Troopers (aka. Leia/Bose Troopers).

Edited September 26, 2010 by Oky Wan Kenobi

[Brickdoctor]

Exactly. In the commercial, they make it sound like it's the Greed (ANH), but I think they just do that to create hype.

Someone in the SW forum speculated that they're trying to get OT fans to watch CW. Fat chance.

Yes. I created the page about the Special Ops Troopers (aka. Leia/Bose Troopers)

Nice.

[CMP]

Yes. I created the page about the Special Ops Troopers (aka. Leia/Bose Troopers).

That page is a mess and needs to be wookified.

[Oky]

Someone in the SW forum speculated that they're trying to get OT fans to watch CW. Fat chance.

Indeed.

Nice.

Thanks. I thought somebody needed to do it, so I did.

That page is a mess and needs to be wookified.

Be my guest. I'm too lazy right now.

[Artanis I]

Well, there go all my arguments against the possibility of Greedo appearing in this series. Ugh! It doesn't make sense at all! I wish they would lay off all that OT-fan service. Most hardcore OT fans don't even watch this show.

Anyway, the episode was alright. I liked the battle, and I'll join sok17 in saying that the Jar Jar bit was kinda funny. It's good to know that he can at least be a good distraction.

re Greedo: I feel vindicated, haha! Real hardcore Star Wars fans enjoy this show and the movie trilogies, warts & all. Forget those stuck-in-the-80s stiffs that only like OT! I liked the episode too, and despite being an anti-fan of Jar-Jar Stinks, his character served its purpose here. I preferred his voice in this episode to most of the other ones he's been in.

This is what I think of the storyline:

1. Supply Lines - the Separatist try to invade Ryloth, the Republic sends Di's army to help the Twi'leks, Cham Syndulla helps them - but gets angry and becomes unsure of the Republic's support due to the late help, and hides and becomes guerilla-like warriors.

2. Ambush - what happened in Season 1

3. Ryloth Trilogy - the Republic sends the late aid/support to Ryloth, Mace arrives and tries to get back the support of Syndulla, who eventually helps for the liberation of Ryloth.

The End.

Exactly. I only recently watched season 1 again, and it makes perfect sense.

First, you could view it as Cham fighting for his people, it just so happened that the Republic helped them (though not full-force help). Would he refuse the help of the Republic when it comes to protecting the lives of his people?

Secondly, the way I view it, Mace was actually trying to get back the support of the disappointed Cham to fight the Separatists for the liberation of Ryloth. It was not established if there was a real negotiation between Cham and the Republic during the first time they fought together in Supply Lines.

Out of curiosity I rewatched the Liberty on Ryloth episode, Cham Syndulla said in that episode (not the exact words): "When the Separatists tried to invade Ryloth, the Republic wasn't able to help us and we were forced to evacuate." Maybe by what Cham said as "the Republic wasn't able to help us", was meant to be "the Republic wasn't able to help us in time", which is what happened in Supply Lines.

I still stand by my understanding of the storyline I stated above.

The republic also only got food + medicine supplies in, not troops to fight the separatists off. So it was really only short term "help" - and they needed more again later (hence Cham Syndulla being pretty p*ssed off in Ryloth trilogy). Make sense?

And guys, come on, it's war. People are gonna die - including awesome characters.

"Many that live deserve to die, some that die deserve life - can you give it to them Freddo Frodo?"

[XimenaPaulina]

Wow, this just means that you, Oky Wan Kenobi, is now more popular than Obi Wan Kenobi. Congrats!

However it never fails to amaze me how Feloni, who I really like by the way, never seems to take the opportunity to allow the specialized clones to stand out. The senate commandos, who were supposed to be the best of the best, were cannon fodder in other episodes. So were the ARC troopers, who were supposed to be second only to the republic commandos in skill. Commander Colt talked a good game, but in the end, they didn't have him do anything really impressive.

Yeah I agree with you. It was kinda disappointing to see the inferior performance of the ARC Troopers in that episode. As a fan, I look up to these elite troopers with high respect, and they just showed Colt beaten helplessly by a female Sith acolyte. I would've wanted them to be as badass as Fordo's troops in the cartoon series. Well, I just hope they don't do the same with the upcoming Commandos.

BTW, now that you mentioned it, I'm now confused on who's the best clone troopers around. Senate Commandos? ARC Troopers? Republic Commandos? The way I see it: ARC Troopers > Republic Commandos > Senate Commandos. Just correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not all that familiara with the Republic Commandos' skills.

[Forresto]

Now I wonder how long too we see him come into the clone wars and get killed off

BTW How long you guys think until the Republic Commandos will come in

Whenever Saavage comes in I think, based on the clip they released with them.

[djmangunz]

You like him? Then why do you keep calling him "Felony"? I thought it was supposed to be a clever, cynic nickname referencing his crimes against the EU. So, it's just a typo then?

Clever.

BTW, now that you mentioned it, I'm now confused on who's the best clone troopers around. Senate Commandos? ARC Troopers? Republic Commandos? The way I see it: ARC Troopers > Republic Commandos > Senate Commandos. Just correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not all that familiara with the Republic Commandos' skills.

According to the Republic Commando novels, the ARC troopers are top dog, then the Republic commandos but according to Dave FILONI (there you go Oky)the Senate Commandos are the best of the best. Personally, I just go with the guys who have the best armor, which would be the airborne troopers in my eyes.

Edited September 27, 2010 by djmangunz

[CMP]

ARCs are higher in rank, but a squad of 4 Rep. Commandos could easily defeat 4 ARCs. Senate Commandos are just guards.

[Artanis I]

Personally, I just go with the guys who have the best armor, which would be the airborne troopers in my eyes.

Of course, this kind of reasoning puts the female Jedi at the bottom of the pile as they pretty much have no armour...

[XimenaPaulina]

ARCs are higher in rank, but a squad of 4 Rep. Commandos could easily defeat 4 ARCs. Senate Commandos are just guards.

Probably, since Rep. Commando squads are described as "tightly-knit" 4-man squads. But Wookieepedia says they are still "technically inferior" to the ARCs.

Clone Commandos trained, lived, and worked together in four unit teams to perform covert and commando style actions. They were as deadly and efficient as the ARC troopers, although it was true they were technically inferior to the ARCs.

Anyway, just wanted to clarify that up. It doesn't really matter since they are on the same side. Let's just hope that the series will present the Rep. Commndos better than they did the ARCs.

[-JD-]

Probably, since Rep. Commando squads are described as "tightly-knit" 4-man squads. But Wookieepedia says they are still "technically inferior" to the ARCs.

Yeah, I always associate the Rep. Commandos with organised destruction, but the ARCs with blasting everthing and showing no mercy to enemies of the Republic. They also were stronger mentally and physically too, I believe. But now the CW series has messed that theory up completely.

[Brickdoctor]

Yeah, I always associate the Rep. Commandos with organised destruction, but the ARCs with blasting everthing and showing no mercy to enemies of the Republic. They also were stronger mentally and physically too, I believe. But now the CW series has messed that theory up completely.

I think it's because they have different roles. ARCs are supposed to be used for reconnaissance or sabotage missions, and generally work alone. Only the Muunilist 10 has been prominently featured as a squad.

[Forresto]

I was just reading Luceano's "Labyrinth of Evil" and apparently some regular clones who had a positive defect in their genes were given ARC training. For example Commander Cody was give ARC trooper training and is considered to be an honarary "ARC trooper".

[CMP]

ARCs are supposed to be used for reconnaissance or sabotage missions, and generally work alone.

But ARCs always seem to be Commanders/Captains. I thought that's what the Commandos were for.

[Brickdoctor]

I was just reading Luceano's "Labyrinth of Evil" and apparently some regular clones who had a positive defect in their genes were given ARC training. For example Commander Cody was give ARC trooper training and is considered to be an honarary "ARC trooper".

Correct.

Several months into the Clone Wars, CC-2224 was temporarily pulled from the fighting in order to be entered into an experimental training regiment, headed by ARC trooper Alpha-17, designed to provoke independent thought among the enrolled commanders. As a sign of his new-found independent streak, 2224 took the name "Cody," and began customizing his armor with equipment previously available only to the ARCs. Cody's armor modifications included a small, bullet-shaped jetpack, a secondary comm antenna, a visor on his helmet, a pair of antennae on his helmet, enlarged shoulder pads, and a small stick-like tool in an armband on his upper right arm.

Of the hundred commanders put through Alpha-17's training program, a handful were picked by Alpha-17 and assigned to Squad Seven, an elite group of cross-trained commandos made up of the Grand Army's best snipers, demolition experts, and marines, whose role was to accompany ranking Jedi on any type of mission. For their stellar performances, Commanders Cody and Odd Ball were given control over Squad Seven, although Major Jorir handled its day-to-day operations.

Yes, I like to quote Wookieepedia.

But ARCs always seem to be Commanders/Captains. I thought that's what the Commandos were for.

Sorry, maybe I should've been more clear. ARCs are automatically officers, with only one know ARC possessing a rank below lieutenant. They are used as 'single man armies' while commandos are trained to work in teams of four or more.

To quote Wookieepedia again,

Once integrated, Advanced Recon Commandos worked as solo operatives or in small squads led by ARC captains, either performing self-contained missions or supplementing larger Grand Army of the Republic operations. It is possible that they trained ordinary clone troopers in ARC techniques and commanded them in squads; due to the limited number of ARCs, it is unlikely that the teams would be comprised only of them. One notable exception was the aftermath of the Battle of Hypori, where a twenty-man ARC trooper team under the leadership of Captain Fordo engaged General Grievous in combat.

[Professor Flitwick]

T'ur was the designation for a group of Lambda-class shuttles that saw service with the Rebel Alliance. These shuttles participated in the evacuation of personnel from the crippled and foundering Mon Calamari Star Cruiser Maximus, taking them to the Nebulon-B frigate Anvil.

I too like to quote Wookieepedia!

[Penitent Tangent]

Nobodies mentioned Chuchi's appearence in the next episode yet? She was a hugely popular character, for all of the 2 minutes she's been on in the past and her inclusion here, being teamed up with Ahsoka seems to be pure fan service. (especially as Ashley Eckstien mentioned a possible Ahsoka love interest in an interview. )

[XimenaPaulina]

Nobodies mentioned Chuchi's appearence in the next episode yet? She was a hugely popular character, for all of the 2 minutes she's been on in the past and her inclusion here, being teamed up with Ahsoka seems to be pure fan service. (especially as Ashley Eckstien mentioned a possible Ahsoka love interest in an interview. )

Oh yeah, I remember that in the episode sneek peek. It's just people have been more interested discussing the upcoming appearance of Greedo (elder or not) in the next epi. Though it will really be nice to see Chuchi once again, but the Ahsoka love interest angle is just .

[djmangunz]

Nobodies mentioned Chuchi's appearence in the next episode yet? She was a hugely popular character, for all of the 2 minutes she's been on in the past and her inclusion here, being teamed up with Ahsoka seems to be pure fan service. (especially as Ashley Eckstien mentioned a possible Ahsoka love interest in an interview. )

That is an interesting idea. Not sure that would go over well with the target audience (of 6-10 year old boys) or their moms.

[Oky]

Since when is Chuchi a "hugely popular character"? And why would her appearance in particular have anything to do with a "possible Ahsoka love interest"?

By the way, new webcomic's up.

[Penitent Tangent]

Since when is Chuchi a "hugely popular character"? And why would her appearance in particular have anything to do with a "possible Ahsoka love interest"?

By the way, new webcomic's up.

Chuchi has a very big fanbase, consdering she's only had one fairly minor role thus far.

And the love interest thing was just a joke, as the two are teamed up in this episode and a romance plot involving Ahsoka has been hinted at. Though I must say a relationship like that for Ahsoka would be far more interesting than the inevitable Anakin-esque teen boy for her to pine over. But it's obviously not something they'd ever do.

[Brickdoctor]

And the love interest thing was just a joke, as the two are teamed up in this episode and a romance plot involving Ahsoka has been hinted at. Though I must say a relationship like that for Ahsoka would be far more interesting than the inevitable Anakin-esque teen boy for her to pine over. But it's obviously not something they'd ever do.

Jar-Jar Binks would be an optimum mate for someone of her caliber.