Lok24 Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, zephyr1934 said: I suspect the standard build for the locomotive will use the two port hub. Corrcect, both is confirmed: Hub 88009 and technic(tm) L Motor 88013 (well known from the Sets 42100 etc.) But there seems to be room for two of the hubs and two motors... Edited May 30, 2020 by Lok24 Quote
dr_spock Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 21 hours ago, Mr Hobbles said: This likely means that we won't be able to use the Powered Up remote, as the Powered Up remote only allows on-off ("bang bang") style operation with that motor, with no speed control. With a bit of creative cabling, one can fake a PU train motor to the PU hub and get speed control on the PU remote without having to use the PU app + smartdevice as a go-in-between. It'll work with attaching PF motors to the PU hub too. Ideally, the PU firmware would allow you to set the desired control mode from the PU remote. I prefer not messing with apps. The PU app hasn't been kind to me. Version 3.0 works with my tablet. Version 3.1 doesn't. Version 3.2 works again with my tablet. Must remember to never update the app when I have a LUG event coming up. Quote
Lok24 Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, dr_spock said: Version 3.0 works with my tablet. Version 3.1 doesn't. Version 3.2 works again with my tablet. Strange behavior, I work with 3.1 without probs (Samsung Galaxy Tab A6) 8 minutes ago, dr_spock said: Must remember to never update the app when I have a LUG event coming up. Yes, that's very important to me too, I turned automatic update off and test always with a special hub not used for events. Quote
Mr Hobbles Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 I'm not sure why it hadn't occurred to me before, but it's now really trivial to convert the Emerald Night to Powered Up with the Technic L motor. I'd previously tried with the XL motor but wasn't happy with the results as it didn't fit neatly into the space left by the old XL motor. I thought the L motor wouldn't have enough power to drive the train, but it has plenty of power, and fits the space really really neatly. And with a small program in the PUP app, you can make the remote control work properly with it. With the introduction of the Crocodile Locomotive that program won't be necessary as there'll be a nice train driving screen to control it! Quote
Lok24 Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 technic Motors and Hub are listed in the shop now. Quote
legotownlinz Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Lok24 said: technic Motors and Hub are listed in the shop now. Very expensive. Lego should offer a reasonably priced Crocodile plus motors bundle. Quote
Lok24 Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 Just now, legotownlinz said: Very expensive. Lego should offer a reasonably priced Crocodile plus motors bundle. Yes, but for those who know about BL it's available for 35,-- € Quote
Duq Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 Very expensive indeed. PF XL motor is €10.16 so why is the PUP XL motor €34.99? That's an incredible increase. L motor has gone from €13.99 to €34.99. I'll stick with PF for now... Quote
Amoreternum Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) Well, PF and my SBrick it is then... to be honest, I expected something more and maybe more... usable? than the new motors and the hub. Outside of Technic, the big hub is unusable due to it's size, and with the smaller hub two ports is just barely enough for bigger engines, at least in my opinion. As soon as that's not enough, Lego does not provide a suitable alternative. But that aside - considering the Croc is supposed to be motorized with just the motor and a hub, does that mean the set will include all that is needed in regards of gears etc. for the motors? Shouldn't be too difficult to just use PF instead of PU then, as far as I know the dimensions are almost or exactly the same. Edited June 1, 2020 by Amoreternum Quote
dr_spock Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 It could probably be like Emerald Night, just add the motor components and the way we go. Don't know if parts have to be taken out to make room like EN. We shall see... 4 hours ago, Duq said: Very expensive indeed. PF XL motor is €10.16 so why is the PUP XL motor €34.99? That's an incredible increase. L motor has gone from €13.99 to €34.99. The PU XL and L have encoder circuitry in them that communicate its position to the PU hub. You can command those motors to move a certain number of rotations or to a particular angle. It could useful for controlling switches and level crossing arms. The PU 45303 simple medium linear motor which is dumb with no encoder still costs more than the equivalent PF M-motor. On 5/30/2020 at 11:17 AM, Lok24 said: Strange behavior, I work with 3.1 without probs (Samsung Galaxy Tab A6) Yes, that's very important to me too, I turned automatic update off and test always with a special hub not used for events. I have a Lenovo TAB3 tablet. With PU App 3.1, it would connect to the hub and a few seconds later the connection drops. It wouldn't stay connected longer than a few seconds no matter how much I tried. PU App 3.2 works great. Crazy... Quote
Detroit-Funk Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 Hi folks, Is there a clear consensus on what we'll need to power the Croc? I read through several pages and I'm still confused. Thanks! Quote
Duq Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, dr_spock said: The PU XL and L have encoder circuitry in them that communicate its position to the PU hub. You can command those motors to move a certain number of rotations or to a particular angle. It could useful for controlling switches and level crossing arms. I know there's a bit of circuitry in those motors, but that doesn't cost €20. 12 minutes ago, Detroit-Funk said: Hi folks, Is there a clear consensus on what we'll need to power the Croc? I read through several pages and I'm still confused. Thanks! Until the set is officially published it's all guess work. Quote
Mr Hobbles Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Detroit-Funk said: Hi folks, Is there a clear consensus on what we'll need to power the Croc? I read through several pages and I'm still confused. Thanks! The rumors have solidified on 1x 88009 Hub (Powered UP), and 1x 88013 Technic Large Motor (Control+). 88013 became available for sale separately today. Of course, still just a rumor as we've yet to see the back of the box or instructions, but those are the reports. Edited June 1, 2020 by Mr Hobbles Quote
Toastie Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Duq said: I know there's a bit of circuitry in those motors, but that doesn't cost €20. That is so true. You know, the now "not in stock anymore" wall wart, the stupid 10V DC charger, they sold for €29,99 ... I find this one particularly irritating. Yes, TLG has to do all the math and all the construction. But yes, they let them make these El Cheapos in China. And sell them for - my take - an unmoral price. Now we have the motors. Yes, it takes a long run in making it all happen. The hubs talking to the motors, the app, controlling it all. I can see that. But honestly? How many software freaks do you need to figure out proportional control? Or rotation counting? Man, this stuff has been out there for ages. TLG is trying to catch up, where Arduinos, PICs, and what not have been for such a long time. And they seriously charge for that. I wonder how long this will continue to be a business case. Best Thorsten Quote
Daedalus304 Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 Really disappointed in those motor prices. I really want to be excited for PU and I've been pretty content to be patient and wait for it to become really good... But $35-$40 for a single motor is ridiculous. If these things don't get some serious price drops I'll probably just stick with regular PF. It seems like it'll probably take a while for those motors to become as expensive even in the aftermarket after they're not in production. Quote
M_slug357 Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 Getting back to the loco itself, I have a couple of theories as to the Croc’s wheel arrangement: 1) Each end has 3 swivel (articulation) points. The first connects the pilot wheel to the coupled pair of drivers (F+B) and nose assembly. The second connects all of that to the third (F) driver axle and the third swivel directly underneath the cab. 2) Each end has 2 swivel points. The first connects the pilot wheel to the rest of the nose assembly. In this version the drivers are rigidly arranged in (F+F, B), but the second swivel point is still over the third axle. It’ll be interesting to see how this negotiates r40 curves& switches. Quote
zephyr1934 Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 21 hours ago, Duq said: I know there's a bit of circuitry in those motors, but that doesn't cost €20. Well, you are paying €2 for the circuitry and €18 for the "improved" price. Quote
Selander Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 3 hours ago, M_slug357 said: Getting back to the loco itself, I have a couple of theories as to the Croc’s wheel arrangement: 1) Each end has 3 swivel (articulation) points. The first connects the pilot wheel to the coupled pair of drivers (F+B) and nose assembly. The second connects all of that to the third (F) driver axle and the third swivel directly underneath the cab. 2) Each end has 2 swivel points. The first connects the pilot wheel to the rest of the nose assembly. In this version the drivers are rigidly arranged in (F+F, B), but the second swivel point is still over the third axle. It’ll be interesting to see how this negotiates r40 curves& switches. I guess it is two swivel points each end. One between the small pilot wheel and bigger nose wheels. The bigger nose wheels are fixed to each nose section. Second swivel point located between nose section and cab section. Quote
The Island Chronicles Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) Ok! I remember City doing a shorter version of this back in 2007. It was part of a Cargo Train set. All you would really need yo do is paint it brown. Other than that, it looks exactly like a crocodile. Edited June 2, 2020 by Brandon Pea Quote
Amoreternum Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Brandon Pea said: Ok! I remember City doing a shorter version of this back in 2007. It was part of a Cargo Train set. All you would really need yo do is paint it brown. Other than that, it looks exactly like a crocodile. This one's most likely based on something like the SBB De 6/6 or the DR E 94 - locomotives that have been named crocodiles, but usually, the term refers to the SBB Ce 6/8 II and III. Others are crocodiles too, but usually, when someone's talking about a crocodile loco, it's one of the two. That being said, while the one from 7898 is a crocodile, no matter what it's based upon, it's an extremely simplified version of one - even the much more accurate 10183 is very simplistic compared to what we'll get with this upcoming one. Besides, the other main color of crocodiles actually is, or rather, was green, albeit a darker one. Quote
Vilhelm22 Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 I find the PU motor prices absurd - I could motorise the crocodile (hub plus L motor) ... or buy the Fiat 500 (both £75 total). The 3 parts for PF cost half the price, and you can use more than two motors/lights etc. Looking at PF prices, why is a PF L motor more expensive than XL? Been watching this thread for some time, especially the motorised or display argument, but the chances of my particular set that I buy being a display set have just risen considerably. Quote
Mr Hobbles Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, Vilhelm22 said: Been watching this thread for some time, especially the motorised or display argument, but the chances of my particular set that I buy being a display set have just risen considerably. Try Bricklink - I just bought two Hubs at $16 each and two PU Technic large motors at $10 each, in preparation for buying two Crocodiles. :) Quote
Toxic43 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Mr Hobbles said: Try Bricklink - I just bought two Hubs at $16 each and two PU Technic large motors at $10 each, in preparation for buying two Crocodiles. :) Seconded. Just had a hub for 15GBP and a large PU motor for 9.50GBP. These are obviously from split sets but will not differ in any way from those sold on the Lego online store. Links for those interested: Motor and Hub Quote
Duq Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 But as soon as BL sellers notice the lego.com price I can see the price on BL going up.... Quote
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