2001 = The best Bionicle year?

[Clonie]

Clonie:

I didn't really get annoyed by them, but I do think their characters have improved in 2007. I agree with the City of the Lost beacause I am not a comic book fan and City of the Lost is very epic IMO.

VK

To elaborate on that,

The Ignika's curses, bent to the character of the cursed being

Compressed air bubbles

Kalmah communicating with squid through touch -- Sweet :P

Giant venom eel

Are some of the things I found entertaining. Incidentally, I doubt I'd find those in a comic book. I like the idea of solid air bubbles expanding around a target, yay, chokingness.

What not to do when debating is exaggerate. I could easily say 2001 was about hippie midgets holding picks and playing grabass while swinging from trees, but that wouldn't be fair, nor do I see it that way.

Edited November 17, 2007 by Clonie

[Clonie]

Did we finish here or something? It's getting awful quiet in this forum. We were talking about tech, yes?

[Dovchenko]

I've been waiting for a topic like this for a prolonged period of time, one where I wouldn't be onslaughted with flamming just by making it.

It's not so much the new Bionicle I hate, but the other "specialized" series... the Mars Mission, the Exo-Force (ESPECIALLY), some of the newer Star Wars. However, I'm pretty annoyed that it's gone from what I started to grow up with to something the next generation of 6 year olds will enjoy so quickly (as well as the fans who have stayed with the new series) When I was 6, I was practically obsessed with the Mata series. I once held a Tarakava box in my hands once, and I never wish I would have bought <insert that tiresome argument> toys instead. Of course, I started to move away from this recently, trying out various hobbies like GW and stuff, but quit due to the ridiculous pricing. However, it did show me that my first reason for quitting the whole LEGO genre was due to the challenge- the new sets take me 10 minutes tops, where-as I'd actually take my time building the older ones. I used to base my personality on them, but do I really want to base mine on the 2007's? Well, actually, yes. The storyline for 2007 is immense, huge, a fantasy of epic preportions. However, comparing it to the simple, drifting, and somewhat calming tiki-style irony-packed 2001, it wasn't as effective on me.

The juniorization these days makes me want to strangle. Replying to the bodies of the Toa Mata, maybe it's smart not to use them in MOC's, as with the Piraka bodies. Maybe they should be just used seperately, for Toa, or something along those lines. Why even try? Just use them for what they

re there for! In other words, it's kind of obvious that the 2001 bodies were oblivios to MOCing, but I personally would try to keep out the <insert that tiresome argument> Piraka bitz from my creations. I have all of 2007's mini's, as well as a deformed Pridak (this is where I stopped in Feb this year or so) and I have to admit, they're just a bunch of liftarms put together to make a figure. Then, they strap on a rare piece to make a torso. Finally, the head. For each mini 2007 set, I only found one collectable.

On the other hand, you know what? The Turaga only have one more than the new sets: their mask, and their staves.

Concerning the features, however, I think Greg's being a bit of a joke. Light-ups were only mildly fun in the dark. Flashing swords gave me epilepsy. Glow in the Dark was once not used as a preliminary feature. All long-distance weapons are hunks of bricks. The gears, unfortunately, have ceased to exist. I miss those gears, sitting in my Mata bodies. I loved battling. But now, size seems to be a huge "feature". Give me a break, I don't want some huge thing sitting on my desk, maybe some Rahi, but not a <insert that tiresome argument> Dragon, etc.

This is the only department in which I feel directly insulted, and I feel this is where Bionicle's going downhill.

In the end, however, despite the fact that I'm far more on the side of 2001, I must say that everyone is equal here, and we should be proud of our opinions for the various years. I actually enjoyed 2001, 2004 and 2006 the best. There were nice enemies, good storylines, good videogames (Bionicle Heroes is actually fun in a way). Believe it or not, I found that 2004 wasn't very <insert that tiresome argument>. It seems that way, especially with the matoran. However, I actually loved the disks, the Vahki, the Toa, and especially the Titans. Turaga Dume was cool, but my favourite titan would have to be Krekka, by far. The Piraka were reasonable (though I hated the toa of 2006), and Brutaka was one mean killing machine. However, 2001 in my opinion had more to like about it. Very simple, no eyes popping out at storylines, etc.

HOWEVER, IF I MAY GO OFF TOPIC FOR A BIT...

Exo-Force is helpless. Sure, we've got the pieces and stuff, not neccesarily just a hunk of bricks. However, poor designing, terrible figures, unneccesary violence and introducting one of my least favourite arts to Lego. LEGO should end it- it's so stupid, I doubt it can be saved. As well as Mars Mission... a personal insult to LoM? One of my other favourites? Life on Mars, Studios and Bionicle. The terrible colours... the vehicles which relate to all of those dumb animated shows... non-logical storyline and lacking figures make it meat for the kill. It's these two things that makes my blood boil, it feels like a slap in the face so hard it stings forever.

AND BACK TO NORMAL...

Overall, I enjoyed Bionicle over the years, and I think that everyone has an even say. 2001-2006 were fine, though 2007 is a bit less good (squid launchers, cordak, etc) and overall 2008 looks like the end of the line for me. Maybe we should all agree that most of the years were reasonable, and look at 2001-2006 as buddies compared to challengers.

[Zarkan]

Exo-Force is helpless. Sure, we've got the pieces and stuff, not neccesarily just a hunk of bricks. However, poor designing, terrible figures, unneccesary violence and introducting one of my least favourite arts to Lego. LEGO should end it- it's so stupid, I doubt it can be saved. As well as Mars Mission... a personal insult to LoM? One of my other favourites? Life on Mars, Studios and Bionicle. The terrible colours... the vehicles which relate to all of those dumb animated shows... non-logical storyline and lacking figures make it meat for the kill. It's these two things that makes my blood boil, it feels like a slap in the face so hard it stings forever.

Couldn't disagree more, especially when I'm looking at my Golden Guardian, Supernova, and Striking Venom. Besides, you can't say a line is bad just because you hate anime. And violence? Hah, it's no more violent then Bionicle, probably even less, because no one dies except emotionless robots.

Concerning Mars Mission - Terible colors? What's so bad about orange and white, and lime and black? Vehicle wise, I seriously can't think of a show that in any way resembles Mars Mission at all. Plus, the storyline is no less logical than many Sci-Fi shows and movies. Figures is the only way that I can agree with you, but only Alien wise, because I love the humans. *wub*

The juniorization these days makes me want to strangle. Replying to the bodies of the Toa Mata, maybe it's smart not to use them in MOC's, as with the Piraka bodies. Maybe they should be just used seperately, for Toa, or something along those lines. Why even try? Just use them for what they

re there for! In other words, it's kind of obvious that the 2001 bodies were oblivios to MOCing, but I personally would try to keep out the <insert that tiresome argument> Piraka bitz from my creations

Huh? You're saying that Toa Mata bodies and Piraka bodies are both <insert that tiresome argument>, but you like Mata bodies and dislike Piraka bodies? Er, maybe not. I didn't understand this part well. *wacko*

Concerning the features, however, I think Greg's being a bit of a joke. Light-ups were only mildly fun in the dark. Flashing swords gave me epilepsy. Glow in the Dark was once not used as a preliminary feature. All long-distance weapons are hunks of bricks. The gears, unfortunately, have ceased to exist. I miss those gears, sitting in my Mata bodies. I loved battling. But now, size seems to be a huge "feature". Give me a break, I don't want some huge thing sitting on my desk, maybe some Rahi, but not a <insert that tiresome argument> Dragon, etc.

What does lightups and glow in the dark have to do with Greg F? He has nothing to do with set design - he just writes the story, and I never have seen a quote where he said he loves those features (he can't say anything bad though, since he works for TLC). If you hate those gimmics, fine, but don't blame Greg, as he is a story man, not a set man. |-/

Maybe we should all agree that most of the years were reasonable, and look at 2001-2006 as buddies compared to challengers.

And in here lies the problem. This isn't reasonable at all, because of course we can't all agree on things like that! Some of us love 2006 and beyond, while others hate it. There's nothing wrong with that, and you can't expect us all to agree. That's what discussion is all about - giving opinions and trying to back them up with reasonable posts. Without disagreement, there would be no real discussion, since that's what life is about. ;-)